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[romanus]

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Sapete darmi la classificazione di queste tre ,presumo  greche?

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romanus

Modificato 19 Dicembre, 2016 da romanus

[King John]

GREEK COINS
Sicily
Uncertain Punic military mint, " People of the camp " . Circa 330-320 BC. Tetradrachm (Silver, 26mm, 16.80 g 10). Uncertain female head to left (Dido or more probably Tanit), wearing a necklace and a Phrygian cap that is encircled with a band embroidered with palmettes and tied above her forehead. Rev. s’mmhnt (= people of the camp) Lion walking to left, head facing front; behind, date palm. Jenkins, "Coins of Punic Sicily" 3 (SNR 56, 1977), 271 ( same dies ). ACGC 876 = Kraay/Hirmer 207 = PCG pl. 26, 41 = Rizzo, pl. LXVI, 7 ( same dies ). Extremely rare, one of six known examples . A magnificent, fresh and superb piece. Some minor corrosion and marks but, otherwise , virtually as struck. From the ‘Exceptional Private Collection,’ Leu 76, 27 October 1999, 68, and from the collection of N. B. Hunt, I, Sotheby’s New York, 19 June 1990, 96 (= Wealth of the Ancient World 96).
This is probably the most beautiful of all Carthaginian silver coins and must have been designed and engraved by a Greek artist. In the past this head was identified as that of Dido, the legendary queen of Carthage but it seems more like to be the city’s patron goddess Tanit as viewed by a Greek artist. She seems to be shown with hair in curls that mark her as being ‘foreign’, not at all like the female heads that are shown on other Siculo-Punic issues. Her headdress is also very unusual, as is the palmette-ornamented ribbon that encircles it. It is more than likely that this splendid Tanit head was thought to be simply too exotic for general use and, thus, was replaced by the more standard, and more familiar, Tanit heads based on Euainetos’ conception of Arethusa.

[King John]

  CARIE - ALABANDA(IIe siècle avant J.-C.)Monnayage au nom et au type d'Alexandre III le Grand Tétradrachme N° v32_0046   
Date : 169-168 AC.
Nom de l'atelier : Carie, Alabanda
Métal : argent
Diamètre : 31mm
Axe des coins : 12h.
Poids : 16,09g.
Degré de rareté : R1
Etat de conservation : SUP Prix de départ : 350 €  Estimation : 550 €   
Prix réalisé : 350 €  Nombres d'offres : 1   Offre maximum : 550 €   
Commentaires sur l'état de conservation : Exemplaire sur un flan très large, parfaitement centré et complet des deux côtés. Très beau portrait de haut relief. Revers de style fin. Merveilleuse patine de médaillier avec des reflets mordorés et bleutés acier. N° dans les ouvrages de référence : MP.2464  - M.1147  - Aulock6643
Pedigree : Cet exemplaire provient de la vente Gorny 62, 20 avril 1993, n° 139.
Titulature avers : Anépigraphe.
Description avers : Tête d'Héraklès à droite, coiffé de la léonté.
Description revers : Zeus aétophore assis à gauche sur un siège sans dossier, nu jusqu'à la ceinture, les jambes croisées, tenant un aigle de la main droite étendue et un sceptre long de la main gauche ; dans le champ à gauche, Pégase prenant son envol.
Légende revers : AΛEΞANΔΡOΥ/ E

Commentaire à propos de cet exemplaire : Même coin de droit que l'exemplaire du British Museum (2464a) et que l'exemplaire du trésor de Tell Kotchek (442, pl. 26). Portrait tout à fait exceptionnel. Au revers, les pieds du siège de Zeus sont particulièrement ornementés. D’autre part, le sceptre semble lui aussi richement ornementé à son extrémité, peut-être lotiforme.
Commentaires : Ce monnayage était très rare avant la découverte du trésor de Tell Kotchek (IGCH 1773) en 1952 et qui contenait 604 tétradrachmes dont 342 pièces d'Alabanda datées entre l'an 1 et l'an 6 de 173 à 167 avant J.-C. Pour le seul an 5, il y avait 65 tétradrachmes. Le trésor fut enfoui entre 167 et 155 avant J.-C.
Historique : Alabanda de Carie était placée sur la rivière Marsyas qui se jetait ensuite dans le Méandre à une trentaine de kilomètres. Ses habitants étaient réputés pour leurs mœurs dissolues. Lors de la guerre contre Philippe V de Macédoine, Alabanda se serait alliée à Rome. Après 197 avant J.-C., en tombant entre les mains d'Antiochus III le Grand (223-187 AC), la ville changea de nom et devint Antioche de Carie. Après la défaite de Magnésie en 189 avant J.-C. et la paix d'Apamée l'année suivante, la cité recouvra son indépendance et son nom. C'est à ce moment que le monnayage au nom d'Alexandre aurait commencé. En 168-167, les villes des provinces de Carie et de Lycie furent déclarées libres par le Sénat de Rome pour les remercier de l'aide apportée dans la lutte contre le roi de Macédoine, Persée.

[King John]

SICILY. Syracuse. Timoleon and the Third Democracy (344-317 BC). Ae.
Obv: ΣΥΡΑΚΟΣΙΩΝ. 
Laureate head of Apollo left.
Rev: Pegasus flying left; below, Δ.
SNG ANS 647.
Condition: Very fine.
Weight: 5.0 g.
Diameter: 18 mm.

[Afranio_Burro]

Bellissima la prima!!! Tua @romanus? 

[King John]

5 minuti fa, Afranio_Burro dice:

Bellissima la prima!!! Tua @romanus? 

Glielo auguro di cuore....

Numismatica Ars Classica > Auction 96	Auction date: 6 October 2016
Lot number: 1039 Price realized: 150,000 CHF   (Approx. 153,531 USD / 137,073 EUR)   Note: Prices do not include buyer's fees.	Show similar lots on CoinArchives Find similar lots in upcoming  auctions on
Lot description: Greek Coins  The Carthaginians in Sicily. Tetradrachm, uncertain mint in Sicily circa 320-300, AR 17.40 g.  Description Female head l. (Tanit ?), wearing a necklace and a Phrygian tiara encircled with a band decorated with palmettes. Rev. Lion advancing l., head facing; behind, palm tree with cluster of dates. In exergue, 's'mmhnt' (people of the Camp) in Punic characters. References Rizzo pl. LXVI, 7 (these dies) Kraay-Hirmer pl. 72, 207 (these dies) Jenkins SNR 56, 1977, 271 Condition Extremely rare and possibly the finest specimen known of this magnificent issue, possibly the most desirable of the entire Siculo-Punic series. A spectacular portrait work of a very skilled master engraver perfectly struck and centred on in high relief on a very large flan. Light iridescent tone and good extremely fine Provenance Künker sale 262, 2015, 7079 This extraordinary tetradrachm seems to have been struck late in the 4th Century B.C., perhaps between 320 and 310, and very likely in the early part of that range. It belongs to a series containing just three sets of dies, each of which presents this interesting subject matter in a different way. Though each is spectacular and original in its own right, if one set of dies had to be chosen as the most accomplished, it certainly would be the one used to strike this coin. In his die study of the Siculo-Punic series, Jenkins was hard-pressed to find a place for this group among the other series of tetradrachms. Even if the superior style of engraving and the unusual subject matter were not obvious considerations, the fact that only three sets of dies were used and that they do not link with other issues (or even within themselves) demonstrates it was a special and isolated series. Aspects of the engraving style led Jenkins to conclude that they belonged at the end of his series 2d (head of Kore/horse animated before palm tree) or the beginning of his series 3 (dolphins around the head of Arethusa/horse head and palm tree). If linked with Jenkins' series 3, this coinage might be associated with preparations by the Carthaginian leader Hamilcar (son of Gison) to combat Agathocles; as such, Jenkins suggests they may have been minted for the 2,000 elite citizens who headed the new Carthaginian armada. A convincing interpretation of the designs has thus far been impossible to achieve. The head was traditionally described as Dido (Elissa), the legendary foundress of Carthage, but that identification has not found much support in recent decades. She may also be the personification of Libya, for that would match well with the prowling lion on the reverse. Jenkins objects to that idea, however, noting that celebrating an indigenous people subject to Carthaginian rule would not have been "consistent with Carthaginian nationalism". To the contrary, Robinson suggests Libya would have been an ideal subject if the bulk of the Carthaginian army at this time were comprised of mercenaries from Carthaginian Libya. Another possibility is that the Punic goddess Tanit (being in some ways the equivalent of the Greek goddess Artemis) is represented, and in many respects she seems to be the best choice. Estimate: 150000 CHF

[Afranio_Burro]

30 minuti fa, King John dice:

Glielo auguro di cuore....

Numismatica Ars Classica > Auction 96	Auction date: 6 October 2016
Lot number: 1039 Price realized: 150,000 CHF   (Approx. 153,531 USD / 137,073 EUR)   Note: Prices do not include buyer's fees.	Show similar lots on CoinArchives Find similar lots in upcoming  auctions on
Lot description: Greek Coins  The Carthaginians in Sicily. Tetradrachm, uncertain mint in Sicily circa 320-300, AR 17.40 g.  Description Female head l. (Tanit ?), wearing a necklace and a Phrygian tiara encircled with a band decorated with palmettes. Rev. Lion advancing l., head facing; behind, palm tree with cluster of dates. In exergue, 's'mmhnt' (people of the Camp) in Punic characters. References Rizzo pl. LXVI, 7 (these dies) Kraay-Hirmer pl. 72, 207 (these dies) Jenkins SNR 56, 1977, 271 Condition Extremely rare and possibly the finest specimen known of this magnificent issue, possibly the most desirable of the entire Siculo-Punic series. A spectacular portrait work of a very skilled master engraver perfectly struck and centred on in high relief on a very large flan. Light iridescent tone and good extremely fine Provenance Künker sale 262, 2015, 7079 This extraordinary tetradrachm seems to have been struck late in the 4th Century B.C., perhaps between 320 and 310, and very likely in the early part of that range. It belongs to a series containing just three sets of dies, each of which presents this interesting subject matter in a different way. Though each is spectacular and original in its own right, if one set of dies had to be chosen as the most accomplished, it certainly would be the one used to strike this coin. In his die study of the Siculo-Punic series, Jenkins was hard-pressed to find a place for this group among the other series of tetradrachms. Even if the superior style of engraving and the unusual subject matter were not obvious considerations, the fact that only three sets of dies were used and that they do not link with other issues (or even within themselves) demonstrates it was a special and isolated series. Aspects of the engraving style led Jenkins to conclude that they belonged at the end of his series 2d (head of Kore/horse animated before palm tree) or the beginning of his series 3 (dolphins around the head of Arethusa/horse head and palm tree). If linked with Jenkins' series 3, this coinage might be associated with preparations by the Carthaginian leader Hamilcar (son of Gison) to combat Agathocles; as such, Jenkins suggests they may have been minted for the 2,000 elite citizens who headed the new Carthaginian armada. A convincing interpretation of the designs has thus far been impossible to achieve. The head was traditionally described as Dido (Elissa), the legendary foundress of Carthage, but that identification has not found much support in recent decades. She may also be the personification of Libya, for that would match well with the prowling lion on the reverse. Jenkins objects to that idea, however, noting that celebrating an indigenous people subject to Carthaginian rule would not have been "consistent with Carthaginian nationalism". To the contrary, Robinson suggests Libya would have been an ideal subject if the bulk of the Carthaginian army at this time were comprised of mercenaries from Carthaginian Libya. Another possibility is that the Punic goddess Tanit (being in some ways the equivalent of the Greek goddess Artemis) is represented, and in many respects she seems to be the best choice. Estimate: 150000 CHF

Ammappa..... Da non conoscitore di puniche, non pensavo andasse via a queste cifre O.O

[romanus]

Il ‎19‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 14:08, Afranio_Burro dice:

Bellissima la prima!!! Tua @romanus? 

Ehh magari !!  Ho solo la foto da inserire nell'elenco delle monete più belle, solo che al momento

 non avevo inserito i dati che l'accompagnano ,per cui mi servivano per la classificazione.

Ringrazio per le esaurienti risposte .

ciao