Antiochia

[eg1979]

Sono indeciso tra Filippo I e Filippo II

è circa 30 mm di diametro

Al rovescio dovrebbe essere:

ANTIOCEWN MHTRO KOLWN D-E S-C, turreted & draped bust of Tyche right, ram leaping right above, star beneath

Al dritto io leggo l'inizio

AVTOK K e la doppia Pi greca di filippo (ma forse ho le traveggole :P)

Che ne dite, sono sulla strada giusta?

[eg1979]

Ecco il rovescio... mi piace tantissimo!!! :)

[Matteo]

Anch'io adoro questo rovescio con la Tyche! A me pare Filippo I.

[Matteo]

Io ne ho due simili che ho catalogato come: Filippo I.

[eg1979]

visto che esiste il dubbio, come faccio a distinguere se è di filippo I o II ?

[william]

Di solito Filippo II appare molto giovane sulle monete, diversamente Filippo I appare molto più vecchio.

[eg1979]

quindi secondo te la mia chi è?

[eg1979]

sul forum americano mi hanno detto che è Filippo II

[eg1979]

First, I really, really like these coins. Nice find. My sources for the info below are Butcher's, Coinage in Roman Syria.

There were two issues of bronze coinage under the Philips at Antioch. The first issue, a fairly small one and the coins are at least scarce and probably rare, was between AD 244-6. The second, the much larger issue and the coins are fairly common, was between AD 247-9.

In the first issue, telling the difference between Philip I and Philip II is very easy -- the legends are different. Philip I's begins with AYT (indicating Augustus) and concludes with CEB. Philip II's has no AYT, he was Caesar when the coins were issued and this is indicated by KAICAP at the end of the legend on his coin.

In the second issue, differentiating between senior and junior is harder because Philip II had been elevated to co-emperor and the legends for both Philip I and Philip II are exactly the same! That said, this is only true if your coin is the large denomination. At 30 mm, I presume its weight to be about 15 or 16 g. If not, let me know and I'll revise this information.

Now, the same reverse was used for both issues with only one difference. The second issue was indicated by a star under the bust of Tyche on the reverse. I see that star on your coin, so it is the second issue.

So the legends, see below, are the same for both Philip I and Philip II. Thus the only way to differentiate between them is the portraits (which is complicated because both used a wide variety of portraiture, including laureate, radiate, etc. and some are known for one and not for the other and vice versa). In your coin, however, it is laureate, draped and cuirassed right, which is known for both Philip I and Philip II.

So, based on portrait, I believe yours is Philip II - senior is portrayed having a much thicker neck at this time, while junior was somewhat leaner.

Here is how I'd attribute your coin:

Philip II, AE30, Antioch, AD 247-9

Obv: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust r. from behind. AYTOKKMIOY I I I OCCEB.

Rev: Veiled, turreted, draped bust of city goddess r; between E, S C. Above, ram jumping right, head turned. Beneath bust, star. ANTIOXE N MHTPOKO N

Butcher 498.d

Hope this helps, and sorry for the long answer, but it is a more complicated question than it may appear.

Mark

[eg1979]

Luigi, cosa ne pensi?