Dramme ‘consorelle’ di Mileto del Grande

[apollonia]

Buon pomeriggio. Descrivo nuovamente le dramme del titolo per aggiornare la situazione di mercato. Il numero che ho assegnato in sequenza agli esemplari è arbitrario.

 

https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=1&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=3&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=drachm+miletos+2090&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1

 

 

N1.407233 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.25 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

 

N2.407237 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (16.5mm, 4.35 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

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 N3.407239 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (16mm, 4.30 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

 

N4.407241 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.31 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

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N5.407242 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (18mm, 4.35 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

 

N6.407243. - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.32 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

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 N7.407256 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.34 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

 

 N8.407257 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.32 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

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N9.407258- KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.33 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

 

N10.407260 - KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.28 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional. Sold For $975.

 

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https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=303815

 

 

N11. 407249.KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’, 336-323 BC. Drachm (Silver, 17mm, 4.32 g 2), Miletos, c. 325-323. Head of Herakles to right, wearing lion’s skin headdress. Rev. ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ Zeus seated on backless throne to left, holding eagle in his right hand and scepter in his left; to left, monogram of ΔΗ. Price 2090. A virtually perfect piece, well-struck in high relief and well-centered. Good extremely fine.

Nomos AG List 2016 (1) lot 31. Sold For $2500.

 

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=305469

 

 

N12.KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17mm, 4.30 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die). Superb EF, toned.

CNG 369, Lot: 39, Feb 24, 2016. Estimate $500. Sold for $800

 

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https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1216&lot=29042

 

 Heritage World Coin Auctions, Long Beach Signature Sale 3042  17-18 Sep 2015. Lot 29042.

 

 

N13.MACEDONIAN KINGDOM. Alexander III the Great (336-323 BC). AR drachm (17mm, 4.24 gm, 2h). Lifetime issue of Miletus, ca. 325-323 BC. Head of young Heracles right, wearing lion skin headdress / ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus seated left on throne, holding eagle and scepter, monogram in left field. Price 2090. Struck in high relief in exceptional metal, with gorgeous glossy cabinet toning. A true gem! NGC Choice MS 5/5 - 4/5, Fine Style.

Estimate: 1000-1200 USD. Price realized: 1600 USD.

 

Heritage World Coin Auctions > New York Signature Sale 3044. Auction date: 3 January 2016. Lot number: 29926

 

 

N14.MACEDONIAN KINGDOM. Alexander III the Great (336-323 BC). AR drachm (17mm, 4.27 gm, 2h). Lifetime issue of Miletus, ca. 325-323 BC. Head of young Heracles right, wearing lion skin headdress / ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus seated left on throne, holding eagle and scepter, monogram in left field. Price 2090. Struck in high relief in exceptional metal, with gorgeous glossy cabinet toning. A true gem! NGC Choice MS 5/5 - 4/5, Fine Style.

Estimate: 1000-1400 USD, Price realized: 2,000 USD (Approx. 1,836 EUR)

 

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[apollonia]

Consorella di un’asta a venire

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=874102&AucID=1643&Lot=46&Val=95882d26d70c7d927a10ac208bc29b45

Classical Numismatic Group > Electronic Auction 370. Auction date: 9 March 2016

 

 

KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III 'the Great'. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (18mm, 4.31 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die). Superb EF, toned.

Estimate: 500 USD.

 

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[apollonia]

Consorella in vendita in rete

http://www.austincoins.com/macedon-alexander-iii-silver-drachm-ngc-choice-mint-state-lifetime-5x4-fine.html

 

 

 

Macedon Alexander III Silver Drachm NGC Choice Mint State Lifetime 5x4 Fine

Kingdom of Macedon, Alexander III, 336-323 BC, Silver Drachm, NGC Choice Mint State, Lifetime, Strike 5/5, Surface 4/5, Fine Style
Intricate silver drachm (pronounced Drahm) issued during the lifetime of Alexander the Great. 
The coin has extraordinary detail and a wonderful overall look with very bright silver. 
Very high end ancient coin.

Lowest Price $ 3,104.64

 

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[andreagcs]

Fantastiche, tutte uguali. Scommetto che se le mettiamo una sopra l'altra si sovrappongono perfettamente....Un po' come le vecchie 100 lire Repubblica nei rotolini della banca. :blum: :crazy: :rofl:

[apollonia]

Mi ha incuriosito quella nota al piede della descrizione dell’ultima consorella postata al # 9:

Lowest Price $ 3,104.64

 

Mi sono chiesto quale fosse l’highest price e ho visto che era quello per pagamento con carta di credito o con PayPal: 3.168 $ = 2906 €.

 

 

Conviene pagare con assegno o con bonifico bancario (2848 € invece di 2906 €): si risparmia il 2%. E meno di 3.000 € per questa dramma-gem non sono poi un dramma! :acute:

 

 

apollonia

[dux-sab]

@@apollonia, in definitiva non ho capito se i coni dei rovesci di queste dramme FDC erano catalogati o sono inediti ?

[apollonia]

@@apollonia, in definitiva non ho capito se i coni dei rovesci di queste dramme FDC erano catalogati o sono inediti ?

 

Catalogati

 

http://www.lamoneta.it/topic/140024-dramme-di-alessandro-magno-in-conservazione-fdc/page-5

 

post # 109, fig. 91a.

 

Caio/Davide aveva approfondito tutta la questione dei conii ma ora è in esilio.

 

 

apollonia

[dux-sab]

@@apollonia, scusa io parlo del conio del rov. il 91 A si può riferire solo al diritto come vedi il rov. è simile ma diverso.

[apollonia]

@@apollonia, scusa io parlo del conio del rov. il 91 A si può riferire solo al diritto come vedi il rov. è simile ma diverso.

 

Ti devo rimandare ancora alla discussione bloccata, precisamente qui

http://www.lamoneta.it/topic/140024-dramme-di-alessandro-magno-in-conservazione-fdc/page-3

al post # 65.

 

Personalmente ho avuto modo di vedere non so quante dramme di Mileto, ma non ho mai trovato uno Zeus così strano come questo. Se copri le braccia il padre degli dèi non è male, anzi: bel volto con pizzetto e busto da atleta. Invece le braccia sono sproporzionate in lunghezza, come pure la mano destra grande quanto i due piedi messi assieme, tanto che l’aquila sembra un piccione.

 

Tieni presente però che a quanto mi risulta questo aspetto stilistico non ha nulla a che vedere con l’autenticità della moneta: come ci sono monete in bello stile non autentiche, così ce ne possono essere in brutto stile ma autentiche.

 

In ogni caso, io ho riaperto questa discussione perché quella alla quale ti ho rimandato è stata bloccata ed esclusivamente per seguire le vicende di mercato di quelle che ho chiamato ‘consorelle’, come avevo prospettato appunto in quella discussione. Per altri aspetti riguardanti le ‘consorelle’ lascio giudicare a chi legge.

 

 

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[apollonia]

Destino della consorella al post # 8

 

 

Classical Numismatic Group > Electronic Auction 370 Auction date: 9 March 2016

Lot number: 46. Price realized: 650 USD   (Approx. 588 EUR)   Note: Prices do not include buyer's fees

 

 

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[apollonia]

Consorelle nelle aste d’aprile 2016

 

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2637&category=54825&lot=2213959

Heritage Auctions, Inc.   |   Auction #3046 - Session 1-3   |   14 - 15 April 2016   |

Session 1, Lot 29046 Estimate: 800 USD   |   Starting price: 400 USD

 

 

MACEDONIAN KINGDOM. Alexander III the Great (336-323 BC). AR drachm (17mm, 4.33 gm, 2h). Lifetime issue of Miletus, ca. 325-323 BC. Head of young Heracles right, wearing lion skin headdress / ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus seated left on throne, holding eagle and scepter, monogram in left field. Price 2090. Struck in high relief in exceptional metal, with gorgeous glossy cabinet toning. A true gem! NGC Choice MS 5/5 - 4/5, Fine Style.

 

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https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2637&category=54825&lot=2213960

Heritage Auctions, Inc.   |   Auction #3046 - Session 1-3   |   14 - 15 April 2016   

Session 1, Lot 29047 Estimate: 1'500 USD   |   Starting price: 750 USD

 

 

MACEDONIAN KINGDOM. Alexander III the Great (336-323 BC). AR drachm (17mm, 4.31 gm, 2h). Lifetime issue of Miletus, ca. 325-323 BC. Head of young Heracles right, wearing lion skin headdress / ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus seated left on throne, holding eagle and scepter, monogram in left field. Price 2090. Struck in high relief in exceptional metal, surfaces suffused with luster. NGC Choice MS 5/5 - 4/5, Fine Style.

 

Chissà se questa meraviglia raggiungerà la quotazione dell'esemplare al post # 11. :crazy:

 

 

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[apollonia]

Consorelle nelle aste di maggio 2016

 

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2661&category=55923&lot=2232908

Nomos AG   |   Auction 12   |   22 May 2016   |

Lot 40 Estimate: 500 CHF   |   Starting price: 400 CHF

 

 

KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’, 336-323 BC. Drachm (Silver, 17mm, 4.28 g 2), Miletos, c. 325-323. Head of Herakles to right, wearing lion’s skin headdress. Rev. ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ Zeus seated on backless throne to left, holding eagle in his right hand and scepter in his left; to left, monogram of ΔΗ. Price 2090. A virtually perfect piece, well-struck in high relief and well-centered. Good extremely fine. 

From an American collection.

 

Non mi so spiegare la stima così bassa di questo esemplare che pur presenta le caratteristiche di stile della serie: monogramma con i ‘piedi’, simili anche come dimensioni ai ‘Cinderella-feet’ di Zeus, mano destra callosa e ‘Gianni Morandi-type’ come dimensioni del padre degli dei re, ecc.

Forse perché manca il ‘valore aggiunto’ della scatoletta?  Ma probabilmente sarò smentito dal risultato dell'asta.

 

 

apollonia

[Caio153]

L'ultima new entry dal mondo 2090:

CNG 102, Lot: 216. Estimate $1000.  

KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17.5mm, 4.27 g, 2h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I, 91 (same obv. die). FDC, gray-blue toning. Exceptional, better than Triton XVIII, lot 459 that hammered at $1900.

 

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=309441

 

Stimata il doppio delle altre :whome: ... no anzi è meglio quindi consigliano di pagarla almeno 1900 $!! :fool:

A me paiono tutte uguali a parte il prezzo di stima che qui essendo una Printed Auction è doppio di quello visto per i vari esemplari esitati nelle Electronic. :lazy:  Magari un giorno mi risveglierò da questo brutto incubo... :D

[apollonia]

 Exceptional, better than Triton XVIII, lot 459 that hammered at $1900.

 

 

Questa è la Triton XVIII, lot 459, della quale la consorella dovrebbe essere migliore

 

KINGS of MACEDON. Alexander III ‘the Great’. 336-323 BC. AR Drachm (17.5mm, 4.30 g, 11h). Miletos mint. Struck under Philoxenos, circa 325-323 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in left field. Price 2090; ADM I Series I 86 (same obv. die); SNG Alpha Bank 629–32; SNG Saroglos 771. FDC, dark iridescent tone. Exceptional.

Triton XVIII, Lot: 459. Estimate $500. Sold for $1900.

From the Patrick H. James Collection. Ex CNG Inventory 733559 (December 2002); Peus 372 (30 October 2002), lot 231.

 

De gustibus...

 

 

apollonia

[King John]

Questa faccia non mi è nuova...

[apollonia]

Alla consorella del post # 9 devo aggiungere per la casistica il secondo esemplare proposto sullo stesso sito a un prezzo inferiore.

 

 

apollonia

[Caio153]

Ho perso il conto... Sarebbe interessante avere un recap... Anche se credo sia un pochino difficile farlo...

[apollonia]

Consorelle nelle aste d’aprile 2016

 

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2637&category=54825&lot=2213959

Heritage Auctions, Inc.   |   Auction #3046 - Session 1-3   |   14 - 15 April 2016   |

Session 1, Lot 29046 Estimate: 800 USD   |   Starting price: 400 USD

 

1.Heritage 14 aprile 2016 29046 2213959l.jpg

 

MACEDONIAN KINGDOM. Alexander III the Great (336-323 BC). AR drachm (17mm, 4.33 gm, 2h). Lifetime issue of Miletus, ca. 325-323 BC. Head of young Heracles right, wearing lion skin headdress / ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus seated left on throne, holding eagle and scepter, monogram in left field. Price 2090. Struck in high relief in exceptional metal, with gorgeous glossy cabinet toning. A true gem! NGC Choice MS 5/5 - 4/5, Fine Style.

 

apollonia

 

Realizzo 1400 USD.

 

 

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