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Hello to all experts of the forum !

One coin just appeared in the next Gorny auction.

First time i see such type. Not in CNS, not in HGC and also not in Buceti. One globus bellow fish is completely unknow.

Weight over 4 grams is unusual.

Such green/red Patina is also suspicious.

What to think ?

 

 

 

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Hello @planetetour,

The type is closely similar to an exemplar in the Moruzzi shop, but the globus/pellet has a different position.

https://shop.moruzzi.it/it/monete/monete-greche/magna-grecia-e-sicilia/sicilia-akragas-oncia-420-406-a-c.html

 

I agree that the patina of the G&M example looks strange, maybe because of the photograph?

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2 ore fa, planetetour dice:

Hello to all experts of the forum !

One coin just appeared in the next Gorny auction.

First time i see such type. Not in CNS, not in HGC and also not in Buceti. One globus bellow fish is completely unknow.

Weight over 4 grams is unusual.

Such green/red Patina is also suspicious.

What to think ?

 

 

 

fake.jpg

Here you can find another specimen of this bronze with one pellet below the fish.

Triskeles Auctions, Sale 18, lot 17, 13. Dec. 2016

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Sicily, Akragas. Ca. 425/0-410/6 B.C. Æ onkia (16 mm, 3.73 g, 2 h). AK-RA, eagle standing left on fish, head turned to right / Crab; below, fish right above pellet. CNS -; SNG ANS 1060. Rare and not listed in the standard reference on Sicilian bronze coins. Green and brown patina. Fine.

 

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Just another specimen.

Münzen & Medaillen GmbH (DE), Auction 21, lot 64, 24. May 2007

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GRIECHISCHE MüNZEN. SIZILIEN. AKRAGAS
No.: 64 Schätzpreis/Estimate: EUR 90
Onkia, um 410. AR-KA Adler auf einem Fisch n. l. stehend, Kopf n. r. gewendet. Rv. Krabbe, darunter Fisch n. r. und Wertkugel. 3,57 g. SNG ANS 1060. Seltene Variante. Dunkle, olivbraune Patina.
Av. Sehr schön. Rv. Fast vorzüglich.

 

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I have not studied this particular akragantine issue, very interesting, but all known specimens are too different to be a forgery work (different dies).

They seem to be original. The Gorny specimen (the first) appears to be a few tooled, but there are traces of red cuprite and at least the flan is ancient....

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Il 23/8/2017 at 21:15, planetetour dice:

Hello to all experts of the forum !

One coin just appeared in the next Gorny auction.

First time i see such type. Not in CNS, not in HGC and also not in Buceti. One globus bellow fish is completely unknow.

Weight over 4 grams is unusual.

Such green/red Patina is also suspicious.

What to think ?

 

 

 

fake.jpg

 

Salve, Personalmente l'oncia di Akragas la ritengo genuina, semmai chi l'ha pulita alla fine ha trattato la superficie in modo lucido. Magari con un po di professionalità non avrebbe marcato l'etnico e i fondi.

Tutto sommato , una gran bella monetina, visto il flan e l'ottima conservazione. Peccato che hanno lievemente deturpato l'occhio dell'aquila (che non e cosi).

 

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