Collection Caruso (1923)

[tito labieno]

Hi everybody,

I´m looking for the photos of the Montagu (Rollin & Feuardent 1896) and Ponton d´Amécourt (Feuardent 1887) collections.

I would like to know if any forum member has the Caruso catalogue (Canessa 1923) and if is possible to know what coins had bought Caruso (aureus, solidus, medallion ...) of these collections.

I can confirm the next exemplars:

- 60 asses, 126 = Montagu 6.

- Antoninus Pius quinarius 333 = Montagu 319.

- Claudius and Agrippina 199 = Amécourt 100. Now in the ANS collection.

Thank you very much,

tito

[legionario]

Are you still interested in this research?

I own the Montagu and Caruso. In a few days I have also Ponton d'Amecourt

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[tito labieno]

Yes, I´m still very interested. To find their coins at present is very difficult.

You can download the Amécourt catalogue in this link. The "photos" are much better than the 1887 original catalogue.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k378351h.r=ponton+amecourt.langFR

[picchio]

I should have two copies of Caruso’s sale; Brass copy has buyers name ink written.

Tomorrow I’ll let you know. I will check on Ponton and Amecourt possible provenience.

[legionario]

These are the coins found in auction Canessa (Caruso) ex Montagu.

Unfortunately I have the Canessa catalogue not original but reprint Forni: the table of photographs are not good (it 's almost impossible to find coins former Montagu between the Byzantine coinage).

Caruso 126 = Montagu 6

Caruso 155 = Montagu 105

Caruso 300 = Montagu 299

Caruso 301 = Montagu 300

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Caruso 317 = Montagu 298

Caruso 333 = Montagu 319

Caruso 352 = Montagu 360

Caruso 376 = Montagu 390

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Caruso 381 = Montagu 413

Caruso 388 = Montagu 419

Caruso 393 = Montagu 424

Caruso 410 = Montagu 445

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Caruso 440 = Montagu 505

Caruso 470 = Montagu 554

Caruso 492 = Montagu 722

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I'm not sure about these coins:

Caruso 468 = Montagu 557

Caruso 543 = Montagu 789

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I'm not sure about this coin too:

Caruso 552 = Montagu 826 (ex collez. Ponton d'Amecourt)

It's all about Canessa-Montagu: I hope you did not forget some other coins

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[picchio]

Caruso 126 = Montagu 6 - 350 . Benzuelne

Caruso 155 = Montagu 105 - 1.400 Di Cicio on catalogue not FDC but beau ink written

Caruso 300 = Montagu 299 - 640 . Ciani

Caruso 301 = Montagu 300 - 1.100 Ciani

Caruso 317 = Montagu 298 - 2.750 Canessa

Caruso 333 = Montagu 319 - 400 Ratto

Caruso 352 = Montagu 360 - 825 Baldwin

Caruso 376 = Montagu 390 - 530 Hamburger on catalogue not FDC but beau ink written

Caruso 381 = Montagu 413 - 500 Balwins on catalogue not FDC but beau ink written

Caruso 388 = Montagu 419 - 540 Ciani

Caruso 393 = Montagu 424 - 510 Busi

Caruso 410 = Montagu 445 - 2.000 Adda

Caruso 440 = Montagu 505 - 1.350 Canessa on catalogue not FDC but tres beau ink written

Caruso 470 = Montagu 554 - 660 Ratto on catalogue not FDC but beau - Tres Beau ink written

Caruso 492 = Montagu 722 - ----- Museo Nazionale

Caruso 468 = Montagu 557 - 440 Ratto

Caruso 543 = Montagu 789 - 620 Baldwin

Caruso 552 = Montagu 826 - ---- Museo Nazionale

My copy (F. Kolbe 12.12.1998) formerly owned by Harry W. Bass acquired on Nov. 30th, 1966 from Mr. Schulman N.Y. for 40 $, originally from J. Schulman Amsterdam (hand written notes, hammer and buyers).

Note that date it is wrongly printed MDCCCXXIII instead of MCM XX III

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[tito labieno]

Legionario and Picchio, thank you very much for your help. I appreciate very much the given information.

At present I have 352 photos of the Montagu and 177 of the Amécourt (including museums and databases -acsearch, coinarchives ...).

In my opinion the Augustus quinarius, Caruso 155 is not Montagu 105. The Montagu exemplar is actually in the ANS (1956.184.17).

- Hadrianus, Caruso 301 = Montagu 300, should be also Amécourt 247. http://www.cngcoins....px?CoinID=85242 and

http://gallica.bnf.f...amecourt.langFR

Sorry, but I don´t know how to upload images in the forum.

- Severus Alexander. Caruso 470 = Montagu 554 = Amécourt 464 = Sotheby 1993, Athena Found I.

Caruso 468 is not Montagu 557. Now in the British museum. http://www.britishmu...asset_id=659087

- Licinius, Caruso 543 = Montagu 789. Possibly. http://www.acsearch....ort=&c=&a=&l=#0

- And finally Constantine I. Caruso 552 = Montagu 872. I think not, because the RIC VII Trier 356 cited 5 examplars: B, V, Caruso (now in Rome), Ars Classica XVII, 1888 = Montagu, and Feuardent 1898.

This is the information that I have in my archives.

[legionario]

as already said:

Caruso 301 = Montagu 300 = d'Amecourt 247

Canessa 199 = d'Amecourt 100

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Canessa 263 = d'Amecourt 160

Canessa 355 = d'Amecourt 295

Canessa 469 = d'Amecourt 463

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(perhaps?): Canessa 145 = d'Amecourt 78

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Canessa 367 = Montagu 378 = d'Amecourt 308

King "Roman Quinarii" n. 31d : now in Madrid museum 397 (inv. 1973/24 - 5447) gr. 3,62

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Canessa 142 = d'Amecourt 39

ex Hamburger 95 (10/5/1932) n. 352

Bahrfeldt "Die Römische Goldmünzenprägung" n. 82,6 (ex Rollin & Feuardent 1909 collez. Sir John Evans)

[legionario]

In my opinion the Augustus quinarius, Caruso 155 is not Montagu 105. The Montagu exemplar is actually in the ANS (1956.184.17).

Unfortunately neither Bahrferld "Die Römische Goldmünzenprägung" (Bahrfeld 119,3) nor King "Roman Quinarii" (King 5c) are not helpful (both refer Montagu): I can only add the the Montagu exemplar was also sold by Hirsch 29 (4/11/1910) lot 917

the weight:

Montagu = gr. 3.93

Canessa = gr. 3.85

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Caruso 333 = Montagu 319

Caruso 376 = Montagu 390

also King “Roman Quinarii” confirms:

(King 13f): Caruso 333 = Montagu 319

(King 9b): Caruso 376 = Montagu 390

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[tito labieno]

Thanks again for your answers Legionario.

Here the links of these aurei that I have found.

- Augustus quinarius. Montagu 105: http://numismatics.o...ion/1956.184.17

- Claudius and Agrippina. Canessa 109 = Amécourt 100: http://numismatics.o...tion/1954.256.6

- Faustina I. Amécourt 295 = Caruso 355 = Lanz 135, 745 = Golberg 44, 3704. http://www.acsearch....d.html?id=24060

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I like the Roman Republican coinage. I found:

Caruso 126

(Crawford 105/2) = the last auction is NAC 61 lotto 465 http://numismatica-c...t/moneta/R-A4/6

the only one coin in private hands http://numismatica-c...ssaggi/R-A4/6-1

Caruso 129 = Christie's (collez. The Property of a Lady) 8/10/1985 lotto 2

(Crawford 491/1a)

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Caruso 130 = CNG Triton III (30/11/1999) lotto 835 – Sternberg XVIII (20/11/1986) lotto 372 – M & M Basel 52 (19/6/1975) lotto 448

(Crawford 494/34)

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Caruso 132 = (perhaps?) NAC 40 lotto 598 - Sotheby 21/6/1990 lotto 659 (collez. Bunker Hunt)

(Crawford 494/34)

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Caruso 136 = CNG Triton IV (5/12/2000) lotto 411 – Sternberg XIII (17/11/1983) lotto 525

(Crawford 466/1)

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Caruso 138 = ex Hirsch XXIV (10/5/1909) lotto 705 (collez. Weber)

(Crawford 475/1a) - Bahrfeldt "Die Römische Goldmünzenprägung" 21,47