Original stamp of the XIX century.

[YV_ laMoneta]

Canceled stamp obverse half dollar in 1870.

[YV_ laMoneta]

All coins with the presence of metal between the teeth - fake (example → in the picture below).

[YV_ laMoneta]

Another example → January 7 this obviously fake sold for $ 1.99 million. $ (see ref.).

 

http://telezkope.com/Hobbies/Hobbies/7421645/barber-dime-realizes-199-million

 

Modificato 12 Gennaio, 2016 da YV_ laMoneta

[pedro_88]

So the world is full of fools who spend a lot of money for fakes?

Just to say, I don't know you and you might be the most brilliant numismatist at the world, but I suppose someone else would have some doubts apart from you if what you're saying is correct.. Everytime you see a little failure in mintage, you directly conclude it's a fake coin..this look a bit paranoid to me..

So, as I am a beginner and you're starting to make me paranoid too, is there someone else who can confirm that what is being said here is true? Just to understand, as these posts remain as a permanent truth in the forum and no one says anything..

Thank you.

Modificato 12 Gennaio, 2016 da pedro_88

[YV_ laMoneta]

Everything is very simple.

 

In any genuine coin no metal between the "teeth" → look carefully authentic picture of the stamp of the XIX century.

Modificato 12 Gennaio, 2016 da YV_ laMoneta

[YV_ laMoneta]

Compare the character design of the space of two coins 1894 and 1895 between the "teeth".

 

There are willing to show another sign of the lack of authenticity of the coins from the post №3?

Modificato 12 Gennaio, 2016 da YV_ laMoneta

[YV_ laMoneta]

Another example → January 7 this obviously fake sold for $ 1.99 million. $ (see ref.).

 

http://telezkope.com/Hobbies/Hobbies/7421645/barber-dime-realizes-199-million

 

Addition:

 

[YV_ laMoneta]

Another example → "2016 February 4 - 7 Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature Auction - Long Beach #1232"

 

http://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dollars/1857-1-ms66-ngc/a/1232-3271.s?ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Open-BrowseThisAuction-120115

 

Modificato 16 Gennaio, 2016 da YV_ laMoneta

[pedro_88]

But..what you call "fessura" in post #7 is a "stair", and it's not present where you say "divario è assente" due to circulation..it's just worn.. Isn't it?

[YV_ laMoneta]

But..what you call "fessura" in post #7 is a "stair", and it's not present where you say "divario è assente" due to circulation..it's just worn.. Isn't it?

not understood

[pedro_88]

Isn't the difference simply due to the fact that one coin is UNC and the other one is circulated (so that the metal in word on the edge)?

Modificato 16 Gennaio, 2016 da pedro_88

[YV_ laMoneta]

Isn't the difference simply due to the fact that one coin is UNC and the other one is circulated (so that the metal in word on the edge)?

In any state of the coin crack at genuine coin, and there can not be.

[YV_ laMoneta]

Everything is very simple.

 

In any genuine coin no metal between the "teeth" → look carefully authentic picture of the stamp of the XIX century.

Another example → "1847 25C :confused: PR66 NGC :confused: . Briggs 8 E.... Proof Seated Quarters   Lot  3197   Heritage Auctions

 

http://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-seated-quarters/1847-25c-pr66-ngc-briggs-8-e/a/1225-3197.s?ctrack=2718902&type=featured-2--coin--open-1225--tem100815

 

Modificato 19 Gennaio, 2016 da YV_ laMoneta

[villa66]

Addition:

 

This, unfortunately, is really a beginner's mistake--please don't be offended, because I'm sure this is a coinage not your own--but you're using a circulation strike of one year to draw highly tendentious conclusions about a proof strike from another year.

 

The 1894s proof dime is one of the most talked about and intensely studied coins in American numismatics, and I feel certain that the discipline has by now a good handle on these coins. (Finding one of the dozen or so missing examples is still a boyhood dream for many of us, but even us small-timers know to watch out for added "S" Philly coins, and the converted New Orleans' pieces!)

 

:) v.

[YV_ laMoneta]

This, unfortunately, is really a beginner's mistake...

There is no mistake here.

There rude forgery, understandable to any primary school students.

[vathek1984]

There is no mistake here.

There rude forgery, understandable to any primary school students.

Per cortesia cerchiamo di evitare messaggi potenzialmente offensivi, verso un utente che ha espresso una sua opinione più che legittima in termini di assoluta correttezza...grazie.

[villa66]

I’m sorry, YV_laMoneta. I should have used a softer approach. My bad.

 

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Please let me explain what I think is going on with the rims and denticles on several of the coins you are labeling “fake.”

 

Flow lines. Back in my geekier days it was fun for me to look at the lines in uncirculated coins left by die polishing and by “metal flow” (which, as you know, is what happens under the heat and pressure of the moment of striking).

 

That moving metal must go somewhere. A good illustration of the phenomenon is provided by “broadstruck” coins (http://www.coinsgb.com/Error_Coins/Broadstrike.html ), that is coins that have been struck without a collar.

 

What I beg you to understand is that even with a collar, the moving metal must still find a destination. And even if too much metal is attempting to move—say, because of denticles that are too big or too closely spaced—then in that final instant of striking, the excess metal will be deposited…somewhere. I vote for between the denticles!

 

That, anyway, is what I think was going on.

 

;) v.

[YV_ laMoneta]

Sorry, villa66, but your interpretation of the minting process shown me "coin" absolutely not true.

 

1. ALL of these coins were minted in the ring.

 

2. Metal Working there is no way to flow between the "teeth" in a closed space between the upper, lower die and the ring (see. Picture).

 

[villa66]

But your illustration is a cross-section of the dies and collar at their maximum impact on the planchet. The dies withdraw from the planchet in the next millisecond, and in my mind, that is when the depositing of the extra metal occurs.

 

Note--in the examples you provide--the seeming different texture of the metal between the denticles. It looks like slag, as opposed to the smooth surfaces left by contact with the dies.

 

:) v.

[YV_ laMoneta]

Con simili esempi di monete contraffatte interessati possono trovare qui:

 

http://www.lamoneta.it/topic/140533-1913-liberty-head-nickel/

[pedro_88]

Sorry but I think it's impossible to talk and try to advance in a reasoning when the interlocutor doesn't interacts with you but keeps exposing its theories by itself, not considering what the others say/ask. I'm trying to understand your point of view, and I did it I think, but if you just keep showing pictures of UNC vs circulated coins and keep repeating always the same sentence, there's no way out.. And I don't think it to be just a problem of translation between different languages, with all due respect.

[YV_ laMoneta]

Vedere. Post # 1 e l'immagine qui sotto.

[pedro_88]

This line is even here, look! But as the coin is worn, the higher part of the edge is gone.. So this is a fake too? You showed it as a genuine coin, in post #7.. Tell me, can you see the line or not?

Modificato 28 Gennaio, 2016 da pedro_88

[pedro_88]

Apart from this, villa explained in post #17 what creates the filling between the denticles you are showing, I think it's credible enough, don't you?

[YV_ laMoneta]

This line is even here, look! But as the coin is worn, the higher part of the edge is gone.. So this is a fake too? You showed it as a genuine coin, in post #7.. Tell me, can you see the line or not?