Damarateion

[Nele]

Salve a tutti sono nuovo da queste parti e scrivo da gela...

Ero interessato a questa moneta..

Qualcuno può aiutarmi?!

[email protected] 

Grazie.

[skubydu]

buonasera, interessato in che senso?

sposto nella sezione Sicilia

skuby

Modificato 27 Settembre, 2016 da skubydu

[Nele]

NEl senso che volevo sapere il suo valore e se esagerato preferirei anche una replica...

Lei potrebbe aiutarmi?

[numa numa]

Il valore e' esagerato, ma  si puo' fare un giro sulla Baia e magari trovare qualche bella replica ...

[King John]

11 minuti fa, numa numa dice:

Il valore e' esagerato, ma  si puo' fare un giro sulla Baia e magari trovare qualche bella replica ...

Dicesi Baia quell'ameno sito su cui si possono acquistare monete autentiche e non e quasi ogni altra tipologia di oggetto...prova ad indovinare il nome preciso...

[King John]

per delle repliche simpatiche prova a vedere qui:

http://www.2rookscoins.com/

[King John]

te la puoi cavare con 20 euro per una replica, piuttosto che con 100.000 euro per un originale:

a tanto ne è stato venduto uno ultimamente. Guarda un po'...

 

Numismatica Ars Classica > Auction 92 Part 1	Auction date: 23 May 2016
Lot number: 127 Price realized: 120,000 CHF   (Approx. 120,907 USD / 107,837 EUR)   Note: Prices do not include buyer's fees.	Show similar lots on CoinArchives Find similar lots in upcoming  auctions on
Lot description: GREEK COINS  Syracuse  Tetradrachm of the Demareteion series circa 470-460, AR 17.51 g. Slow quadriga driven r. by charioteer, wearing chiton and holding reins in both hands and kentron in l.; above, Nike flying r. to crown the horses. In exergue, lion running r. Rev. ΣV – RA – KOΣΙ – Ο – N Head of Arethusa r., wearing olive-wreath, earring and necklace, framed within a circle and surrounded by four dolphins swimming clockwise. Rizzo pl. XXXV, 6. AMB 434 (these dies). Boehringer 386.1 (this coin illustrated). Very rare and in exceptional condition for this very difficult and prestigious issue. A wonderful old cabinet tone and of superb style, minor oxidations, otherwise extremely fine Ex Leu sale 76, 1999, 54, and NAC 72, 2013, 324 sales. From the collection of the Money Museum Zürich. In recent decades the dates of numerous ancient coins, including the celebrated works attributed to the Demareteion Master, have been reconsidered. These coins had traditionally been placed in 480 or 479 B.C. based upon an historical association derived from a passage in the eleventh book of Diodorus Siculus. However, the numismatic component of his account, which was composed 450 years after the events described, appears flawed, and current thought places these coins firmly between circa 470 and 460 B.C. Diodorus records the generous terms for peace given by the Syracusan tyrant Gelon to the Carthaginians, who in 480 B.C. the Greeks had just defeated at the Battle of Himera. He reports that the Carthaginians were asked to pay only the costs of war incurred by the Greeks, two thousand talents of silver, and to build two temples in which copies of the treaty were to be preserved. That report is followed by the passage relevant to the Demareteion decadrachm: "The Carthaginians, having unexpectedly gained their deliverance, not only agreed to all this but also promised to give in addition a gold crown to Demarete, the wife of Gelon. For Demarete at their request had contributed the greatest aid toward the conclusion of the peace, and when she had received the crown of one hundred gold talents from them, she struck a coin which was called from her a Demareteion. This was worth ten Attic drachmas and was called by the Sicilian Greeks, according to its weight, a pentekontalitron [a fifty-litra piece]." (XI 26.3) In his 1969 work The Demareteion and Sicilian Chronology, Kraay challenged the notion current since 1830 that the decadrachm mentioned by Diodorus was the first issue of silver decadrachms at Syracuse. Beyond the fact that the passage suggests the coins would have been made of gold, Kraay objected on numismatic grounds to so early a date for the first decadrachm. He noted how its incorrect date of c.480/79 B.C. had become "the sheet-anchor of Sicilian numismatic chronology" and, consequently, had skewed ideas on the chronologies of so many other coinages. Moreover, Kraay notes that the appearance of the leaping lion on two issues of Leontini tetradrachms had led some to assume that the tyrant of Leontini must have played a role at the Battle of Himera. However, literary sources record no such involvement, and if this coinage was disassociated with the victory at Himera, the only connection needed between the Demareteion issues of Syracuse and Leontini would be of a numismatic character. It is now believed that the earliest possible date for the Demareteion decadrachm is c.470 B.C., and that it more likely was struck in about 465 B.C. The same may be said for the associated tetradrachms of Syracuse that Kraay notes exhibit "the same peculiarities of style and design" as the decadrachm. Kraay initially had narrowed the timeframe for the decadrachm to c.466-461 B.C., between the expulsion of the tyrant Hieron I from Syracuse and the removal of foreign mercenaries from the city in 461; but a few years later had settled upon c.465 B.C.

[dux-sab]

@Nele, quella che hai postato sarebbe autentica ?

[numa numa]

Ha tutta l'aria di esserlo

... ma anche di provenire da un museo ( con criteri espositivi superati e discutibili viste le 'grappette'...) 

[Nele]

Grazie tante @King John....

@dux-sab si quella postata è  una foto presa dalla rete e la moneta in questione si trova in un museo di Berlino. ..

Che dire....qualcuno si trova monete di gela?!

Modificato 28 Settembre, 2016 da Nele

[King John]

3 ore fa, Nele dice:

Che dire....qualcuno si trova monete di gela?!

Alcune sono attualmente in vendita qui:

https://auktionen.gmcoinart.de/Auktion/Onlinekatalog?intAuktionsId=357