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Bella e mai vista. Mi ricorda questa moneta:

BITHYNIA. Calchedon. AR Drachm (3.77 gms), ca. 350 B.C.
cf.SNGCop-352. Bull standing left on corn-ear, Caduceus to left; Reverse: Incuse square of mill-sail pattern. Well rounded and attractive.
NEARLY EXTREMELY FINE.

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Ne è stata venduta un'altra nel 2014 a ben 15.000 USD. Viene attribuita alle "Thraco-Macedonian Tribes".

The New York Sale


 

 
Auction Lot Date Estimate Hammer
Auction XXXII 113 (« | ») 8. Jan. 2014 15'000 USD -

Description

ANCIENT COINS. GREEK COINS. Thraco-Macedonian Tribes, The Derrones (c.520-500 B.C.), Silver Tetradrachm, 13.54g. Bull walking to left, its head lowered, on ground line. Rev. Small incuse square with irregular surface (Svoronos, HPM, 33, pl. II, 19 = Babelon, Traité IV, 1227, pl. CCCXXVI, 20 = J. Kagan, ‘Some Archaic Bovine Curiosities’, ANS MN 33, 1988, p. 41, 4, pl. 16 (this reverse die); cf Giessener Münzhandlung 52, 1990, lot 148; SNG ANS -).Struck on a very broad flan, toned, very fine.Extremely rare, apparently only two other recorded examples. Purchased from Athena, Munich, 27 October 1989 Ex Prospero Collection, The New York Sale XXVII, 4 January 2012, lot 252 US$ 15,000

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24 minuti fa, King John dice:

Ne è stata venduta un'altra nel 2014 a ben 15.000 USD. Viene attribuita alle "Thraco-Macedonian Tribes".

The New York Sale


 

 
Auction Lot Date Estimate Hammer
Auction XXXII 113 (« | ») 8. Jan. 2014 15'000 USD -

Description

ANCIENT COINS. GREEK COINS. Thraco-Macedonian Tribes, The Derrones (c.520-500 B.C.), Silver Tetradrachm, 13.54g. Bull walking to left, its head lowered, on ground line. Rev. Small incuse square with irregular surface (Svoronos, HPM, 33, pl. II, 19 = Babelon, Traité IV, 1227, pl. CCCXXVI, 20 = J. Kagan, ‘Some Archaic Bovine Curiosities’, ANS MN 33, 1988, p. 41, 4, pl. 16 (this reverse die); cf Giessener Münzhandlung 52, 1990, lot 148; SNG ANS -).Struck on a very broad flan, toned, very fine.Extremely rare, apparently only two other recorded examples. Purchased from Athena, Munich, 27 October 1989 Ex Prospero Collection, The New York Sale XXVII, 4 January 2012, lot 252 US$ 15,000

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Si tratta della stessa moneta.

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes...

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15 minuti fa, apollonia dice:

Si tratta della stessa moneta.

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes...

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Oppss...vero: il rovescio fotografato al contrario mi aveva ingannato. @apollonia ha espresso in maniera molto forbita qualche dubbio sul ribasso subito dalla moneta. Ricordo a me stesso, infatti, che  la frase latina "Timeo Danaos ed dona ferentes" fu pronunciata da Laocoonte ai Troiani per convincerli a non fare entrare il famoso cavallo di Troia nella città....

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Interessante la storia di questo esemplare comparso in aste dei precedenti anni pari.

Baldwin's Auctions Ltd, Auction 100, lot 187, 2016   https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3278494

 

The New York Sale, Auction XXXII, lot 113, 2014  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1826562

 

The New York Sale, Auction XXVII, lot 252, 2012  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1178609

 

 

Qui è stato battuto il secondo esemplare, già comparso alla Gorny 52 del 1990

Stack's, The Vermeule, Ward, and Mexico Maxico Collection, lot 110, 2010  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=725425

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THRACO-MACEDONIAN TRIBES. The Derrones(?). Ca. 520-510 B.C.
AR Tetradrachm. Bull standing left, head lowered. Rv. Small incuse square. 14.21 grams. Svoronos p. 16, 33, pl. II, 19 = Traité IV 1227, pl. CCCXXVI, 20 = Sternberg XXII (1989), 56 = Auctiones 11 (1980), 83 (same dies). SNG ANS - . Extremely rare, being only the second known specimen. Flan crack. Darkly toned. Good Very Fine. (8,000-12,000). Ex Gorny 52, November 1990, Lot 148.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Mi era sfuggita questa discussione.

Ricapitolando ci sarebbero in circolazione soltanto due esemplari, uno dei quali è stato esitato tre volte negli ultimi 4 anni, per rimanere invenduto nell'ultima asta. La moneta è molto particolare, ma non saprei esprimermi sulla sua autenticità. Qualche esperto ha notato dei dettagli che possano destare sospetti?

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