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Monete con labirinto

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skubydu
9 minuti fa, King John dice:

Particolarissima moneta in vendita con una figura (Minosse?) seduta su un labirinto.

Heritage World Coin Auctions > ANA Signature Sale 3056 Auction date: 3 August 2017
Lot number: 30060

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CRETE. Cnossus. Ca. 280-270 BC. AR drachm (20mm, 4.88 gm, 12h). Choice VF, smoothing. Laureate head of Apollo left / ΚΝΩΣΙ[ΩΝ], male figure (King Minos?) seated left on square labyrinth, holding Nike in extended right hand and scepter in left, monogram on left. Le Rider, Crete, plate 35, 6 (this coin). Svoronos 82 (pl. VI, 15). BMC 28 (pl V,14) (this reverse die). Jameson 2519 (this reverse die). Very rare! Somewhat weak reverse strike, signs of smoothing on face below eye, repairing a delamination visible on Le Rider plate, otherwise a handsome specimen on a broad flan. 

From the Northern California Collection; acquired from Freeman & Sear, 2003.

The figure on the reverse can confidently be identified as the legendary King Minos, sitting atop a representation of his creation, the Labyrinth. According to legend, the Cretan artisan and scientist Deadalus built the Labyrinth on orders from King Minos, who needed a place to keep his wife Pasiphae's monstrous son, the Minotaur. Pasiphae had fallen in love with a beautiful sacrificial bull and the half-man, half-bull Minotaur was the result of her cross-species passion. The Latin poet Ovid, drawing from tradition and oral history, said Deadalus built the Labyrinth so cunningly he nearly trapped himself within its winding passages. The Minotaur was placed at the center and Minos ordered that seven youths and seven maidens be sent by Athens, then subject to Crete, each year as a sacrifice offering to feed the beast. The Athenian hero Theseus volunteered as one of the victims and, with the help of Minos' daughter Ariadne, smuggled in a sword, which he used to slay the Minotaur, and a ball of twine to help him navigate the Labyrinth. The Labyrinth soon became the very symbol of Crete and is shown on the reverse of coins struck by Knossos, its largest city and Minos' capital. Some coins show the Labyrinth in a circular form, while others, such as this example, depict it as square. Archaeologists have found considerable evidence that the Labyrinth was not entirely mythical. Sir Arthur Evans proposed that the huge, sprawling Minoan palace complex of Knossos would have been viewed as an inescapable maze by anyone from backwards mainland Greece; more recently, an underground warren of tunnels and caves, some natural and others man-made, has been explored under Gortyna, providing another strong candidate for the Minotaur's home. 

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Estimate: 6000-8000 USD

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Qualcuno che ha il Le Rider può postare L immagine della tavola?

grazie

skuby

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apollonia

Immagine sulla tavola VI dello Svoronos

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apollonia

Sbaglio o sulla moneta dell’Heritage la figura maschile sul rovescio è seduta per modo di dire in quanto il suo sedere non è a contatto con il sedile a forma di labirinto?

 

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Matteo91

Di solito non mi metto a parlare di falsi, però la moneta del post #150 mi dà da pensare. La figura al rovescio non mi sembra "esteticamente" molto ben riuscita, specialmente se confrontata con le altre due.

Voi cosa ne pensate?

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Archestrato
5 ore fa, Matteo91 dice:

Di solito non mi metto a parlare di falsi, però la moneta del post #150 mi dà da pensare. La figura al rovescio non mi sembra "esteticamente" molto ben riuscita, specialmente se confrontata con le altre due.

Voi cosa ne pensate?

Il rovescio presenta tracce di un possibile scivolamento di conio (parte inferiore del labirinto e sotto il piede) che potrebbe giustificare alcuni aspetti dei rilievi, tuttavia la porosità concentrata tra le gambe e sul polpaccio (ma non solo) non è il massimo del fascino ..

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apollonia

Non credo che sia già stata descritta qui questa dramma CNG 353) in cui l’argento ha subito una profonda ossidazione e sulla cui superficie, specie del rovescio, compaiono macchie di azzurrite dovute all’ossidazione del rame. Questo metallo può provenire da depositi esterni o per migrazione alla superficie del rame in lega con l’argento.

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CRETE, Knossos. Circa 300-270 BC. AR Drachm (19mm, 5.18 g, 8h). Head of Hera left, wearing ornamented stephanos / Labyrinth; A P flanking. Svoronos, Numismatique70; SNG Copenhagen 374; Traeger –. Fine, thick find patina, deposits.

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apollonia

Statere con testa di Demetra o di Persefone sul diritto nella prossima GERHARD HIRSCH Nachfolger   |   Auktion 338   |   9 May 2018, Lot 332, Estimate: 1'750 EUR   |   Starting price: 1'400 EUR.

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GRIECHISCHE MÜNZEN, GRIECHISCHES MUTTERLAND, KRETA, KNOSSOS.
Stater. 330-300. Kopf der Demeter oder Persephone mit Ährenkranz r. Rs: Mäanderartiges Labyrinth, im Zentrum Stern. SNG COP. 369. Svoronos 27 (Rs. stgl., zur Vs. vgl. 20). 10.69g, Schöne Tönung. Vs. hohes Relief. Rs. Druckstelle. RR ss-s/ss.
Ex Sammlung R.P. Ex CNG 45, 1998, Los Nr. 384.

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Un altro esemplare della dramma al post # 111 nella prossima Numismatica Ars Classica, Zurich   |   Auction 106 Part I   |   9 - 10 May 2018, Lot 244. Estimate: 15'000 CHF   |   Starting price: 12'000 CHF.

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Crete, Cnossos. Drachm circa 300-270 BC, AR 5.42 g. Head of Hera l., wearing stephane decorated with palmettes, earring and pearl necklace. Rev. A – P Square labyrinth; in exergue, KNΩΣΙ. Traité III, 1548 and pl. CCL 14. Svoronos Crète, pl. VI, 7. SNG Copenhagen 374.
Very rare. A very interesting and fascinating issue, light old cabinet tone and good very fine

Ex Naville 5, 1923, 2266; Hess-Leu 31, 1966, 366; Gorny & Mosch 129, 2004, 131 and Gorny & Mosch 236, 2016, 209 sales.

Un po' di storia.

Although it had been inhabited since the Neolithic period, in the Bronze Age Knossos grew into a major city centred on a palace complex that may have been home to as many as 100,000 people. Knossos served as a political and cultural capital for Minoan civilization — the distinctive culture of Bronze Age Crete named after the mythological King Minos of Knossos. The impressive remains of the Minoan palace complex of Knossos was excavated by Sir Arthur Evans beginning in 1901 and resulted in the discovery of two previously unknown early Greek scripts, Linear A and Linear B. The invasions and natural disasters that brought about the collapse of many Bronze Age states around 1200-1100 B.C. also ended Minoan civilization. Nevertheless, while the age of the palace was gone, Knossos survived to become one of the most important cities of Crete in the Iron Age. In the Classical and Hellenistic periods, Knossos was frequently at war with neighbouring Cretan cities, especially Lyttos and Polyrrhenia. This coin may have been produced in the context of these inter-city struggles. The glory days of Minoan civilization were far in the past when this drachm was struck, nevertheless, the reverse type harks back to the time when King Minos ruled from Knossos and the Greeks of both the surrounding islands and even the mainland paid him tribute. Here we see an aerial view of the famous Labyrinth. Minos ordered this maze-like prison constructed to contain the monstrous Minotaur, a cannibalistic half-man, half-bull creature born from the unnatural love of Minos’ queen, Pasiphae, and the Cretan Bull. Minos demanded youths and maidens to be sent to Knossos as tribute by subject cities. These were sent into the Labyrinth and soon became hopelessly lost in its winding passages before they were devoured by the Minotaur. This horrific custom only came to an end when the hero Theseus had himself included among the human tribute from Athens. With the help of Minos’ daughter, Ariadne, Theseus killed the monster and found his way out of the Labyrinth thanks to a ball of string he had unwound as he advanced.

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apollonia

Bronzo di Cnosso con Europa in “viaggio di nozze” verso Creta (NAC 114).

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Crete, Cnossus. Bronze circa 220, Æ 6.87 g. Europa riding bull l.; below, dolphin l. Rev. KN Labyrinth. Svoronos, Numismatique 119. SNG Copenhagen 378 var. (two dolphins).
A very rare variety of a rare type. Brown tone and good very fine / very fine

Ex Glendining's sale 8 March 1970, 723 (part of).

 

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Dramma di Cnosso con la regina degli dei sul diritto (NAC 114).

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Crete, Cnossus. Drachm circa 330-300, AR 5.41 g. Head of Hera l. wearing sphendone decorated with palmettes, earring and necklace. Rev. Labyrinth; at sides A – P and in exergue KNΩΣI. Svoronos 70 and pl. VI, 7 (these dies). Traité III, 1548 and pl. CCL, 14. SNG Copenhagen 374.
Very rare. An interesting and fascinating issue, unusually well-centred and
complete and of excellent style. Old cabinet tone, minor area of
weakness on obverse, otherwise about extremely fine

Privately purchased from CNG in 2011.

Per un po’ di storia su Cnosso e la civiltà minoica vedi didascalia in https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=5926&category=197769&lot=4947468

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Bronzo di Cnosso alla prossima Münzen & Medaillen GmbH   |   Auktion 48   |   24 May 2019 

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KRETA. KNOSSOS. Kleinbronze. Kopf des bärtigen Zeus n. r. Rv. Labyrinth. 1,93 g. Svoronos, C. 79,105, Tf.6,27, SNG Cop. 385 vgl.
Schön
Aus Slg. M. Weder.

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=6026&category=204122&lot=5057384

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Per Zeus, che risultato! 

Ira & Larry Goldbergs AUCTION 96, LOT 1676, 14 - 15 Feb 2017

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Starting price: 5.000 USD
Estimate: 10.000 USD
Result: 77.500 USD
 
Lot 1676. Crete, Knossos. Silver Tetradrachm (15.39 g), ca. 200-67 BC. N-I/K-A in two lines, laureate head of Zeus right. Reverse: KNΩ/Σ-I/ΩN in three lines, labyrinth. Svoronos 177; SNG Lockett 2543 = Pozzi 4403 (this coin); SNG Copenhagen 381. Very Rare and probably the finest example in existence! Boldly struck and perfectly centered on a nice broad flan. Uniform dark tone. Superb Extremely Fine. Estimate Value $10,000 - UP
The Hanbery Collection; Purchased privately from F. Kovacs in the 1980s. Ex Richard Cyril Lockett Collection, pt. III (Glendining's, 27 May 1959), 2019; Ex Prof. S. Pozzi Collection (Naville I, 4 April 1921), 1971.
Knossos was renowned in antiquity as the Cretan capital of King Minos, who mythographers and historians like Thucydides considered to have ruled the first thalassocracy (naval empire). Despite his great power - which at one time extended over Athens on the Greek mainland - his family was cursed by the gods. His wife, Pasiphaê, became smitten with a majestic bull and employed Daidalos, Minos' great engineer, to build a wooden cow device so that she could consummate her unnatural lust for the animal. The result of this coupling was the monstrous minotaur, a bloodthirsty half-man and half-bull creature.

Unwilling or unable to destroy this monstrous offspring, Minos ordered Daidalos to construct a winding maze that was so difficult to navigate that the Minotaur could be safely kept a prisoner inside. Daidalos, with the help of his son Ikaros, followed his king's command and built the famous Labyrinth, which is depicted on the reverse of this coin and which may derive its name from labrys, the double-headed axe that appears to have had an important ritual function in Bronze Age Crete.

Unfortunately for the two builders, once the Labyrinth was complete, Minos had them shut up inside in order to prevent them from ever divulging its secrets to the outside world. The wily Daidalos, however, used wax and bird feathers to construct artificial wings for his son and himself so that they could escape by flying out of the unroofed maze. The plan worked perfectly until Ikaros flew too close to the sun and the wax of his wings melted, causing him to fall to his death in the sea off the coast of southwestern Asia Minor, which thereafter was known as the Ikarian Sea.

Despite the escape of Daidalos and the tragic death of his son, the Labyrinth still stood and housed an increasingly hungry and angry Minotaur. In order to satisfy the monster's need for human flesh, Minos demanded tribute from Athens in the form of seven youths and seven maidens every seven or nine years. After this horror had taken place twice, the Athenian prince Theseus volunteered to serve as one of the youths in order to go to the Labyrinth of Knossos in the hope of slaying the monster and ending the bloody tribute. With the help of Minos' daughter, Ariadne, he marked his path in the maze by unwinding a ball of yarn so that after killing the Minotaur he could retrace his steps and safely exit the Labyrinth.

Thus the great mythological fame of Daidalos' maze and Theseus' destruction of its inmate made it the perfect civic badge for the coins of Knossos in the early Hellenistic period.
 
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apollonia

Raramente si trova in asta un’emidramma di Cnosso. Questa della prossima CNG Feature Auction 115 è stimata $1,000 e attualmente siamo a $750 dopo cinque offerte.

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CRETE, Knossos. Circa 300-270 BC. AR Hemidrachm (15mm, 2.34 g, 7h). Laureate head of Apollo left / Labyrinth; A P flanking. Svoronos, Numismatique 73; cf. SNG Copenhagen 375. Toned, area of flat strike in center. Near VF. Rare.

From the Todd Hansen Collection. Ex Dr. Burkhard Traeger Collection (Künker 136, 10 March 2008), lot 173; Pierre-Carlo Vian Collection (Poindessault, 15 November 1991), lot 392.

 

Vedremo a breve come va a finire.

 

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apollonia

Ecco la fine:

SOLD $3,750 (EUR 3.173,40)

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apollonia

Obolo di Cnosso (Obolos by nomos, WEBAUCTION 11 - LOT 224 - 8 Dec 2018)

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CRETE. Knossos. Circa 300-270 BC. Obol (Silver, 11 mm, 0.65 g, 2 h). Laureate head of Apollo left. Rev. Labyrinth (ruins of the palace of Knossos). Svoronos, Numismatique 74. As a denomination, extremely rare. Uncleaned as found and with minor scratches, otherwise, about very fine.

Starting price: 120 CHF - Result: 550 CHF

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