Ricerca moneta “Foca con pesce in bocca”

[Matteo91]

Perdonatemi se approfitto di voi...

Sto cercando la foto di una moneta, probabilmente di Focea, nella quale è rappresentata una foca con un pesce in bocca. 

La moneta è in argento (non è un piccolo frazionale) e sono sicuro di averla vista in vendita negli ultimi mesi. Purtroppo non riesco a trovarla su Acsearch.

Riuscireste ad aiutarmi?

Mi servirebbe trovarla perché credo che un’immagine simile sia raffigurata anche su un frazionale in elettro appena uscito, la cui attribuzione è incerta (mentre credo sia da ricondurre proprio a Focea...). Ve ne parlerò appena possibile.

Grazie!

[fagiolino]

 

[Matteo91]

Purtroppo non sono queste, @fagiolino  anche il nominale era diverso. Farò ancora qualche ricerca prima di cominciare a pensare di aver avuto le allucinazioni...

[paparoupa]

47 minutes ago, Matteo91 said:

Forgive me if I take advantage of you ...

I'm looking for a photo of a coin, probably from Phocaea, which shows a seal with a fish in its mouth. 

The coin is silver (not a small fractional) and I'm sure I've seen it on sale in the last few months. Unfortunately I can't find it on Acsearch.

Could you help me?

I would need to find it because I believe that a similar image is also depicted on an electro fractional just released, whose attribution is uncertain (while I think it can be traced back to Phocaea ...). I'll tell you about it as soon as possible.

Thanks!

Sorry but the translation is not good for me to understand. Do you want to attribute a silver coin that looks like the EL below?

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4411539

Modificato 7 Novembre, 2020 da paparoupa

[Matteo91]

44 minuti fa, paparoupa dice:

Sorry but the translation is not good for me to understand. Do you want to attribute a silver coin that looks like the EL below?

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4411539

Dear @paparoupa,

in the next RN e-sale 77 there is an electrum 1/96 stater that shows an animal with a fish (?) in its mouth: 

https://www.romanumismatics.com/232-lot-422-ionia-uncertain-mint-el-1/96-stater?arr=0&auction_id=0&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=Dolphin &list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=1&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=

For me the animal could be a “seal” and not a “dolphin”.

This coin reminds me the famous staters from Phokaia in which a seal have an octopus in its mouth. Here an example: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=121328

Moreover I’m pretty sure to have  recently seen a silver coin from phokaia in which a seal has a fish in its mouth (but I’m not able to find it...).

In conclusion I think that the coin from RN could be from Phokaia too. However there is a problem with its weight: 0,11g it is too low for a 1/96 stater (stater in Phokaic standard is circa 16,60g).

What do you think?

Modificato 7 Novembre, 2020 da Matteo91

[paparoupa]

13 hours ago, Matteo91 said:

Dear @paparoupa,

in the next RN e-sale 77 there is an electrum 1/96 stater that shows an animal with a fish (?) in its mouth: 

https://www.romanumismatics.com/232-lot-422-ionia-uncertain-mint-el-1/96-stater?arr=0&auction_id=0&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=Dolphin &list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=1&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=

For me the animal could be a “seal” and not a “dolphin”.

This coin reminds me the famous staters from Phokaia in which a seal have an octopus in its mouth. Here an example: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=121328

Moreover I’m pretty sure to have  recently seen a silver coin from phokaia in which a seal has a fish in its mouth (but I’m not able to find it...).

In conclusion I think that the coin from RN could be from Phokaia too. However there is a problem with its weight: 0,11g it is too low for a 1/96 stater (stater in Phokaic standard is circa 16,60g).

What do you think?

It is difficult to say if this is a seal or a dolphin. If the weight 0.11g is correct then it is a really tiny coin. What you see as a fish in the seal's mouth could be as well a die break... I think this is the coin type with the dolphin they cataloged it after

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2461280

Modificato 8 Novembre, 2020 da paparoupa

[Matteo91]

3 ore fa, paparoupa dice:

It is difficult to say if this is a seal or a dolphin. If the weight 0.11g is correct then it is a really tiny coin. What you see as a fish in the seal's mouth could be as well a die break... I think this is the coin type with the dolphin they cataloged it after

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2461280

Thanks a lot @paparoupa. It is very difficult to say what actually is depicted on this coin... Moreover the weight is problematic both for Lido-Milesian and for Phokaic standard (with very tiny coins  it is always difficult to recognize the correct weight standard...).