la più antica datata

[Ospite]

Il groschen di Zwickhau lo trovi qui :

http://www.mcsearch.info/search.html?search=1478&view_mode=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ol=1&sort=&c=&a=&l=#4

della data c'è solo l' 8.

[godovski]

Io ho un Denaro Scodellato di Enrico II...

Con la data?

Direi di no, ma... non è il mio tipo di moneta; l'ho presa solo perché Enrico II è "Sant'Enrico Imperatore", il mio protettore per il secondo nome...

[Utente.Anonimo3245]

Se vogliamo considerare anche le date in arabo, dell'egira, o quelle sempre in arabo dell'era safar, troviamo monete datate prima del 1200.

Ne ho presentata una con data, in arabo, del 1198. (discussione : Alfonsì morabetino maravedi) Ed è una moneta spagnola.

Deve essere molto bella, non l'ho vista, puoi mettere il link Rorey? Grazie, Giò

@ Godovski

Luke ha chiesto qual'è la nostra moneta più antica con la data... :) .

Io non mi metto proprio in lizza, ne ho una del 1699, Porta Aurea...va beh la metto, è bucata ma a me piace moltissimo la sua patina...e poi è un regalo di un amico... :)

[Ospite]

Se vogliamo considerare anche le date in arabo, dell'egira, o quelle sempre in arabo dell'era safar, troviamo monete datate prima del 1200.

Ne ho presentata una con data, in arabo, del 1198. (discussione : Alfonsì morabetino maravedi) Ed è una moneta spagnola.

Deve essere molto bella, non l'ho vista, puoi mettere il link Rorey? Grazie, Giò

@ Godovski

Luke ha chiesto qual'è la nostra moneta più antica con la data... :) .

Io non mi metto proprio in lizza, ne ho una del 1699, Porta Aurea...va beh la metto, è bucata ma a me piace moltissimo la sua patina...e poi è un regalo di un amico... :)

Eccoti il link....

Ciao.

[Utente.Anonimo3245]

Eccoti il link....

http://www.lamoneta....etino-maravedi/

Ciao.

Grazie Rorey, letto di un fiato, complimenti. Giò

Modificato 21 Agosto, 2012 da giovanna

[quattrino]

c'è anche l'aureo simile.

e per chi vuol fare esercitazione di inglese aggiungo la spiegazione:

The reverse type of this aureus, which also appears on slightly less rare orichalcum sestertii of the same issue, is not only one of the most interesting and historically exciting of the entire Roman series, it also bears the only true year date ever to appear on a coin struck in the mint of Rome in ancient times (see J.O. Sweeny & R. Turfboer, Tempus in Nummis. I [n.p., 1992], pp. 79-81). The date is the year 874, identified on the coin as being anno natali urbis (= from the year of the birth of the city), more commonly termed by historians and scholars ab urbe condita (= from the founding of the city), and commonly used in historical texts under the abbreviation AUC. The coin was struck in honor of a festival called the Parilia, held every year on April 21st, the traditional day on which Rome was founded by Romulus on 21 April, 753 B.C. In 121 Hadrian inaugurated a much more elaborate festival, complete with parades and games in the Circus, in honor of the city's foundation, and of the city's patron goddess, Roma Aeterna. To emphasize these new games the Genius of the Circus was placed on the reverse: he holds a chariot wheel and wraps his arm around the central island of the Circus, the spina, identified by the three obelisks that were one of its characteristic features. This Hadrianic festival was meant to mark the beginning of a new golden age, and this coin would have been used for the donatives that accompanied it.

Nella nota, il sesterzio di Adriano viene indicata come l'unica moneta coniata nell'antica zecca di Roma , ed è vero. Vi segnalo anche l'unica altra moneta della serie imperiale con l'indicazione della data (AN MIL ET PRIMO), coniata a Viminacium dall'usurpatore Pacaziano in occasione del millenario della fondazione dell'Urbe.

PACATIAN. 248-249 AD. AR Antoninianus (4.38 gm).

Viminacium mint. Dated 248 AD. IMP TI CL MAR

PACATIANVS P F I(N...), radiate, draped and

cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / ROMAE

AETER AN MIL ET PRIMO, Roma seated left on shield,

holding Victory with wreath, and spear. RIC IV 6

(IMP TI CL MAR PACATIANVS AVG); Hunter -; cf.

Cohen 7 (same); RSC 7. Choice VF. ($15,000)

Like an aureus of Hadrian (see lot 932 above),

this is only the second Roman imperial coin known

to be dated by the foundation of the city of Rome.

The AN MIL ET PRIMO of the reverse legend securely

dates it to 248 AD, thereby providing clear

evidence for when Pacatian was in revolt.

Likewise, Pacatian's use of the Roma Aeterna

reverse, paralleling those Philip I struck to

commemorate Rome's millenial anniversary,

demostrates a purposeful intent on Pacatian's part

to equate his revolt with the new millenium. The

presence of a clear IN (Invictus) in the obverse

legend, rather than the traditional AVG or AV of

his other issues, can be found in a fellow Moesian

usurper, Aemilian (CIL V.530), and further

reinforces the unique situation of Pacatian's

usurpation. The turmoil of the lower Danube,

coming as it did on the heels of Rome's millenial

anniversary, prompted the Moesian troops to rebel

and put forward Pacatian as an imperial candidate.

Apparently a member of the senatorial class and

the son of a high-ranking official, he may have

beaten back an initial incursion of the Goths,

earning the epithet Invictus and the admiration of

his troops. Thus, seemingly armed with the cachet

of an unconquered leader supported by troops who

saw themselves as the true bulwark of Roman power,

he was seen as the restorer of the eternal empire,

a point which the parallels of this coin could not

fail to make.

[Numi 62]

Sicilia: Carlo V 4 tarì 1552.

Posterò la moneta al rientro a casa

Ciao Mauro

[numa numa]

c'è anche l'aureo simile.

e per chi vuol fare esercitazione di inglese aggiungo la spiegazione:

The reverse type of this aureus, which also appears on slightly less rare orichalcum sestertii of the same issue, is not only one of the most interesting and historically exciting of the entire Roman series, it also bears the only true year date ever to appear on a coin struck in the mint of Rome in ancient times (see J.O. Sweeny & R. Turfboer, Tempus in Nummis. I [n.p., 1992], pp. 79-81). The date is the year 874, identified on the coin as being anno natali urbis (= from the year of the birth of the city), more commonly termed by historians and scholars ab urbe condita (= from the founding of the city), and commonly used in historical texts under the abbreviation AUC. The coin was struck in honor of a festival called the Parilia, held every year on April 21st, the traditional day on which Rome was founded by Romulus on 21 April, 753 B.C. In 121 Hadrian inaugurated a much more elaborate festival, complete with parades and games in the Circus, in honor of the city's foundation, and of the city's patron goddess, Roma Aeterna. To emphasize these new games the Genius of the Circus was placed on the reverse: he holds a chariot wheel and wraps his arm around the central island of the Circus, the spina, identified by the three obelisks that were one of its characteristic features. This Hadrianic festival was meant to mark the beginning of a new golden age, and this coin would have been used for the donatives that accompanied it.

Nella nota, il sesterzio di Adriano viene indicata come l'unica moneta coniata nell'antica zecca di Roma , ed è vero. Vi segnalo anche l'unica altra moneta della serie imperiale con l'indicazione della data (AN MIL ET PRIMO), coniata a Viminacium dall'usurpatore Pacaziano in occasione del millenario della fondazione dell'Urbe.

PACATIAN. 248-249 AD. AR Antoninianus (4.38 gm).

Viminacium mint. Dated 248 AD. IMP TI CL MAR

PACATIANVS P F I(N...), radiate, draped and

cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / ROMAE

AETER AN MIL ET PRIMO, Roma seated left on shield,

holding Victory with wreath, and spear. RIC IV 6

(IMP TI CL MAR PACATIANVS AVG); Hunter -; cf.

Cohen 7 (same); RSC 7. Choice VF. ($15,000)

Like an aureus of Hadrian (see lot 932 above),

this is only the second Roman imperial coin known

to be dated by the foundation of the city of Rome.

The AN MIL ET PRIMO of the reverse legend securely

dates it to 248 AD, thereby providing clear

evidence for when Pacatian was in revolt.

Likewise, Pacatian's use of the Roma Aeterna

reverse, paralleling those Philip I struck to

commemorate Rome's millenial anniversary,

demostrates a purposeful intent on Pacatian's part

to equate his revolt with the new millenium. The

presence of a clear IN (Invictus) in the obverse

legend, rather than the traditional AVG or AV of

his other issues, can be found in a fellow Moesian

usurper, Aemilian (CIL V.530), and further

reinforces the unique situation of Pacatian's

usurpation. The turmoil of the lower Danube,

coming as it did on the heels of Rome's millenial

anniversary, prompted the Moesian troops to rebel

and put forward Pacatian as an imperial candidate.

Apparently a member of the senatorial class and

the son of a high-ranking official, he may have

beaten back an initial incursion of the Goths,

earning the epithet Invictus and the admiration of

his troops. Thus, seemingly armed with the cachet

of an unconquered leader supported by troops who

saw themselves as the true bulwark of Roman power,

he was seen as the restorer of the eternal empire,

a point which the parallels of this coin could not

fail to make.

oltre al sesterzio c'é anche l-aureo di Adriano..

[bavastro]

ciao, a proposito della mia più antica datata, a suo tempo citai un quattrino con le cifre 2 6 ai lati della grande L. Avevo pensato 1626 ma il CNI (volume XI pagina 162 n. 655) riporta solo un esemplare con tre cifre, 6 2 6 ai lati della L, quindi avevo considerato la possibilità del 1526.

Però se la data per Lucca compare attorno a metà secolo, ci devono essere altre possibilità:

- quattrino con due cifre invece di tre non censito dal CNI, ma presente su pubblicazioni successive.

- variante, 2 6 invece di 6 2 6

- errore, 2 6 anzichè 6 2 per 1562.

In ogni caso credo sia giusto toglierla dall'elenco delle monete più antiche italiane.

[cipa]

La mia più vecchia è del 1568 descritta nel seguente link:

http://www.lamoneta.it/topic/90935-emanuele-filiberto-soldo-ii-tipo/#entry1006334

Massimo